Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/19/2002 03:32 PM Senate RES

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        HB 447-COM FISH & AGRICULTURE BANK INTEREST RATE                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE  ANDERSON, staff to  Representative Mulder, said  that HB
447 addresses  language in AS 45.45  that inhibits the  ability of                                                              
the Alaska  Commercial  Fishing and Agriculture  Bank (CFAB)  from                                                              
serving its mandated purpose. He explained:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Like most states,  Alaska has what is commonly  called a                                                                   
     usury law:  the limitation on  the rate of  interest for                                                                   
     certain  types   of  loans,  usually  small   loans.  AS                                                                   
     45.45.010  defines a  small  loan as  under $25,000  and                                                                   
     establishes  a maximum  annual fixed  interest rate  for                                                                   
     such  loans  at 5%  above  the Twelfth  Federal  Reserve                                                                   
     District discount rates, currently 2%.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In Alaska, conventional lending  institutions, including                                                                   
     commercial  banks and  credit unions,  are able to  gain                                                                   
     exemption  from  state  statutes  by  means  of  federal                                                                   
     preemption provisions. Because  of CFAB's organizational                                                                   
     structure as  a cooperative bank, it has  no such option                                                                   
     for exemption. Subject to federal  law, the organization                                                                   
     cannot   charge  too   much  interest.   In  reality   a                                                                   
     percentage  of the interest  collected in excess  of its                                                                   
     needs is  given back to the  borrowers. In the  past the                                                                   
     commercial   fishing   community   has   not   generated                                                                   
     significant  demands for small  loans. However,  because                                                                   
     limited  entry permits  have recently  begun trading  in                                                                   
     the $20,000  - $40,000  range, there  is a much  greater                                                                   
     need for small loans.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     CFAB's subjectivity to the existing  statutes along with                                                                   
     the period of  lowest financial market rates  in over 20                                                                   
     years renders  it unable to make significant  numbers of                                                                   
     small loans to Alaskan residents,  opening the potential                                                                   
     for a  drastic shift  of permit ownership  demographics.                                                                   
     The basic  purpose of HB 447  is to insure that  CFAB is                                                                   
     able to  continue serving  its Alaskan member  borrowers                                                                   
     in an efficient manner and equitably  compete with other                                                                   
     lending institutions.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ED  CRANE,   President,   Alaska  Commercial   Fishing   and                                                              
Agriculture  Bank,  said  this  is   a  simple  issue  from  their                                                              
standpoint.  He  supported  HB  447   and  said  he  would  answer                                                              
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JERRY  WEAVER,  Senior  Vice   President,  Wells  Fargo,  and                                                              
Secretary of  the Alaska Bankers'  Association, said he  wanted to                                                              
make a technical  correction in what's been said  as to whether or                                                              
not  Alaska banks  are subject  to that  statute or  to the  usury                                                              
limitations  on loans  below $25,000.  The actual  wording to  the                                                              
1980  Federal Depository  Institution  Deregulatory Act  basically                                                              
states that:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Interest may not be charged  that is 5% above the annual                                                                   
     rate  of interest  charged member banks  by the  Twelfth                                                                   
     Federal Reserve District. However,  a loan or a contract                                                                   
     that exceeds $25,000 is exempt from this provision.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In essence  that means that the  banks making loans in  Alaska are                                                              
subject to  the usury statute.  They believe  it would set  a very                                                              
poor precedent  to excuse one of  the senior lenders in  the state                                                              
from that  usury standard. They  don't disagree with  the position                                                              
CFAB is in, in  regard to limited entry permit  loans, and believe                                                              
it would be  useful to the state  to keep the laws  consistent and                                                              
add a short  line to the end  of HB 447 that says  something like:                                                              
"money under this  chapter in connection with  extension of credit                                                              
using the security of limited entry permits."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRANE  said he had an  informal legal opinion, dated  1986, on                                                              
the Deregulatory  Act of 1980 and  it appears that Mr.  Weaver may                                                              
be reading only part of that law.  In addition, by coincidence, it                                                              
was a former senior vice president  of National Bank of Alaska who                                                              
discussed this at length with him  several years ago and explained                                                              
what  is called  "the most  favored  lender" doctrine  and how  it                                                              
applies  to commercial  banks  in Alaska  and  preempts the  state                                                              
usury law.  The federal law that  is being referred to  appears to                                                              
have a limitation  related to business and agricultural  loans. He                                                              
noted:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Empirical evidence  over the  years has suggested  to me                                                                   
     that there's some misinterpretation  occurring here. The                                                                   
     limitations  being  suggested,  frankly,  I  don't  know                                                                   
     whether that  would be any particular problem  or not. I                                                                   
     guess I would observe that the  reason CFAB seems to, at                                                                   
     least  in   my  view,  appear   so  frequently   in  the                                                                   
     legislature  is because our  statute, AS 44.81,  has set                                                                   
     forth  a business  plan,  if  you will,  in  stone in  a                                                                   
     sense, and we  operate in a rather dynamic  and evolving                                                                   
     industry and  we have quite consistently found  over the                                                                   
     years that  things have outgrown  what the statute  says                                                                   
     and  I  frankly  hate to  see  just  little  limitations                                                                   
     thrown in  here and there.  We're here today  because of                                                                   
     the fact that the legislature  created a platypus and we                                                                   
     don't fit anywhere else. At  least from that standpoint,                                                                   
     I tend to think it's really  not a good idea to throw in                                                                   
     some  additional  little limitation  for  CFAB. I'm  not                                                                   
     suggesting that it would hinder us.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON  said the banking community is  concerned about                                                              
the loans  that they make on  the last authority they  give [CFAB]                                                              
for the tourism  business and not having the same  rules that they                                                              
do.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRANE said  that some  members  of that  community have  been                                                              
happy to refer applicants to him.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TORGERSON said  they would  hold  the bill  for a  legal                                                              
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER responded  that sounds like a very  reasonable thing to                                                              
do.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TORGERSON said  he didn't  want just  an opinion  from a                                                              
banker's  point of view.  He wanted  them to  actually quote  some                                                              
federal laws that they are trying to get back to.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRANE suggested  checking with  Representative Murkowski  who                                                              
had looked  into this  issue at one  point. The applications  they                                                              
cannot   entertain  tend   to  be   loans  for   gear  or   vessel                                                              
improvements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR asked if he foresaw  having to make loans where the                                                              
security  of the  limited entry  permit  itself might  not be  the                                                              
primary security that they would be looking to.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRANE replied, "Exactly."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON  said they had  to check that out.  There being                                                              
no further  business to  come before  the committee, he  adjourned                                                              
the meeting at 4:00 p.m.                                                                                                        

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